Behringer: tutto e il contrario di tutto...
kurz4ever ha scritto:
questo però significherebbe non avere un clone esatto ma solo uno strumento che gli assomiglia (dato che andrebbe ad "inquinare" i percorsi di segnale analogici)
questo però significherebbe non avere un clone esatto ma solo uno strumento che gli assomiglia (dato che andrebbe ad "inquinare" i percorsi di segnale analogici)
Infatti... quello che alcuni non capiscono (e cercavo di spiegarlo l'altra volta) e' che un conto e' aggiungere un arpeggiatore, un conto e' aggiungere degli effetti, e un conto completamente diverso e' aggiungere la possibilita' di salvare i preset, che significa che in ogni punto in cui un potenziometro/slider/pulsante controlla una tensione bisogna aggiungere un circuito attivo in grado di fare la stessa cosa, e magari sono 50 punti diversi del circuito...
@ PandaR1
Infatti... quello che alcuni non capiscono (e cercavo di spiegarlo l'altra volta) e' che un conto e' aggiungere un arpeggiatore, un conto e' aggiungere degli effetti, e un conto completamente diverso e' aggiungere la possibilita' di salvare i preset, che significa che in ogni punto in cui un potenziometro/slider/pulsante controlla una tensione bisogna aggiungere un circuito attivo in grado di fare la stessa cosa, e magari sono 50 punti diversi del circuito...
Si, in effetti è così...concordo...Ho trovato anche questo:
kurz4ever ha scritto:
questo però significherebbe non avere un clone esatto ma solo uno strumento che gli assomiglia (dato che andrebbe ad "inquinare" i percorsi di segnale analogici)
questo però significherebbe non avere un clone esatto ma solo uno strumento che gli assomiglia (dato che andrebbe ad "inquinare" i percorsi di segnale analogici)
Infatti... quello che alcuni non capiscono (e cercavo di spiegarlo l'altra volta) e' che un conto e' aggiungere un arpeggiatore, un conto e' aggiungere degli effetti, e un conto completamente diverso e' aggiungere la possibilita' di salvare i preset, che significa che in ogni punto in cui un potenziometro/slider/pulsante controlla una tensione bisogna aggiungere un circuito attivo in grado di fare la stessa cosa, e magari sono 50 punti diversi del circuito...
Behringer Odyssey
Polyphony & Tuning
Polyphony: 2
Timbrality: 1
Tuning: Standard
Modes: Duophonic
Storage: Internal, USB
Editing: USB
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Hi Nick,
When you reached out to me for a comment related to our price reduction, I was happy to explain the reasons behind it since we at Music Tribe respect you and your magazine. Frankly, I was quite surprised about the tone of your article.
You used terms like "cynical commercialism" which I am frankly struggling with. In my book, cynicism is such a terrible mindset that I feel compelled to respond to you.
Let's be very clear, we as a company must make a profit in order to survive and grow, which goes for every other company and surely your own business too, Nick.
30 years ago I started Behringer with the philosophy "Double the Features at Half the Price" which we later expanded to "We Hear You".
As a kid and later struggling musician and sound engineer, I couldn't afford any of the equipment in the market, let alone synthesizers. I literally spent days in music stores playing those synths and drum machines until the shop owners would kick me out, since they knew I would never buy anything.
At the age of 16, the only way I could solve that problem was to build my own synthesizer. However this early experience and deep frustration of not being able to afford equipment made me appreciate the challenges other people go through. I learned this again during my university times when my friends and I could not afford the equipment we needed in order to practice and this was the time I decided to make it the mission in my life to try to solve this problem.
We at Music Tribe with all our 12 brands believe in empowering creatives by providing our customers with tools and services they desire at prices they can afford.
Our philosophy is to carefully listen to our customers and build what they want us to build. Often people come up with great new ideas or they simply request us to make a product that follows a competitor but at a lower price. Provided it is within the law, we will pursue those requests as our loyalty belongs to our customers.
When it comes to pricing, we have always used the "bottom up" calculation method, which means we take our manufacturing cost as a base, add a small profit for us and on top the typical retailer margin.
Our competitors usually set their pricing based on what they believe customers would be willing to pay for a product in order to maximize their profit. We however believe that our low-margin strategy will earn us a long-term loyalty.
We further believe that adding affordable products such as synthesizers to the market will open up a complete new customer base. Many marketing studies have demonstrated that broadening the market with low cost offerings will not eliminate the competition as you insinuate but on the contrary, increase overall sales as a strong awareness for the overall category is created.
We at Music Tribe are very different and we're proud to be different. We try to be everything but corporate; for example we have no board of directors, no C-level executives and I have pledged that everything we earn gets reinvested.
Whether this means creating new R&D centers which we are now establishing in locations such as Manchester (U.K.), Aarhus (Denmark), Willich (Germany) and Nevada (US) or investing in a highly automated factory, our sole purpose is to deliver great products for our customers at prices they can afford.
As an extreme minimalist myself, money has never been a driver for me. But it is an important tool that allows you to pursue things you are passionate about. As an engineer I love building businesses, systems and infrastructure while as a musician my passion is playing keyboards and designing synths, drum machines etc. Going back to my roots 40 years later, and designing synthesizers again is a joy that's hard to describe. In fact, I can tell you that building some of these synths makes no commercial sense but it's so much fun that I simply don't care whether
Hi Nick,
When you reached out to me for a comment related to our price reduction, I was happy to explain the reasons behind it since we at Music Tribe respect you and your magazine. Frankly, I was quite surprised about the tone of your article.
You used terms like "cynical commercialism" which I am frankly struggling with. In my book, cynicism is such a terrible mindset that I feel compelled to respond to you.
Let's be very clear, we as a company must make a profit in order to survive and grow, which goes for every other company and surely your own business too, Nick.
30 years ago I started Behringer with the philosophy "Double the Features at Half the Price" which we later expanded to "We Hear You".
As a kid and later struggling musician and sound engineer, I couldn't afford any of the equipment in the market, let alone synthesizers. I literally spent days in music stores playing those synths and drum machines until the shop owners would kick me out, since they knew I would never buy anything.
At the age of 16, the only way I could solve that problem was to build my own synthesizer. However this early experience and deep frustration of not being able to afford equipment made me appreciate the challenges other people go through. I learned this again during my university times when my friends and I could not afford the equipment we needed in order to practice and this was the time I decided to make it the mission in my life to try to solve this problem.
We at Music Tribe with all our 12 brands believe in empowering creatives by providing our customers with tools and services they desire at prices they can afford.
Our philosophy is to carefully listen to our customers and build what they want us to build. Often people come up with great new ideas or they simply request us to make a product that follows a competitor but at a lower price. Provided it is within the law, we will pursue those requests as our loyalty belongs to our customers.
When it comes to pricing, we have always used the "bottom up" calculation method, which means we take our manufacturing cost as a base, add a small profit for us and on top the typical retailer margin.
Our competitors usually set their pricing based on what they believe customers would be willing to pay for a product in order to maximize their profit. We however believe that our low-margin strategy will earn us a long-term loyalty.
We further believe that adding affordable products such as synthesizers to the market will open up a complete new customer base. Many marketing studies have demonstrated that broadening the market with low cost offerings will not eliminate the competition as you insinuate but on the contrary, increase overall sales as a strong awareness for the overall category is created.
We at Music Tribe are very different and we're proud to be different. We try to be everything but corporate; for example we have no board of directors, no C-level executives and I have pledged that everything we earn gets reinvested.
Whether this means creating new R&D centers which we are now establishing in locations such as Manchester (U.K.), Aarhus (Denmark), Willich (Germany) and Nevada (US) or investing in a highly automated factory, our sole purpose is to deliver great products for our customers at prices they can afford.
As an extreme minimalist myself, money has never been a driver for me. But it is an important tool that allows you to pursue things you are passionate about. As an engineer I love building businesses, systems and infrastructure while as a musician my passion is playing keyboards and designing synths, drum machines etc. Going back to my roots 40 years later, and designing synthesizers again is a joy that's hard to describe. In fact, I can tell you that building some of these synths makes no commercial sense but it's so much fun that I simply don't care whether
@ PandaR1
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Hi Nick,
When you reached out to me for a comment related to our price reduction, I was happy to explain the reasons behind it since we at Music Tribe respect you and your magazine. Frankly, I was quite surprised about the tone of your article.
You used terms like "cynical commercialism" which I am frankly struggling with. In my book, cynicism is such a terrible mindset that I feel compelled to respond to you.
Let's be very clear, we as a company must make a profit in order to survive and grow, which goes for every other company and surely your own business too, Nick.
30 years ago I started Behringer with the philosophy "Double the Features at Half the Price" which we later expanded to "We Hear You".
As a kid and later struggling musician and sound engineer, I couldn't afford any of the equipment in the market, let alone synthesizers. I literally spent days in music stores playing those synths and drum machines until the shop owners would kick me out, since they knew I would never buy anything.
At the age of 16, the only way I could solve that problem was to build my own synthesizer. However this early experience and deep frustration of not being able to afford equipment made me appreciate the challenges other people go through. I learned this again during my university times when my friends and I could not afford the equipment we needed in order to practice and this was the time I decided to make it the mission in my life to try to solve this problem.
We at Music Tribe with all our 12 brands believe in empowering creatives by providing our customers with tools and services they desire at prices they can afford.
Our philosophy is to carefully listen to our customers and build what they want us to build. Often people come up with great new ideas or they simply request us to make a product that follows a competitor but at a lower price. Provided it is within the law, we will pursue those requests as our loyalty belongs to our customers.
When it comes to pricing, we have always used the "bottom up" calculation method, which means we take our manufacturing cost as a base, add a small profit for us and on top the typical retailer margin.
Our competitors usually set their pricing based on what they believe customers would be willing to pay for a product in order to maximize their profit. We however believe that our low-margin strategy will earn us a long-term loyalty.
We further believe that adding affordable products such as synthesizers to the market will open up a complete new customer base. Many marketing studies have demonstrated that broadening the market with low cost offerings will not eliminate the competition as you insinuate but on the contrary, increase overall sales as a strong awareness for the overall category is created.
We at Music Tribe are very different and we're proud to be different. We try to be everything but corporate; for example we have no board of directors, no C-level executives and I have pledged that everything we earn gets reinvested.
Whether this means creating new R&D centers which we are now establishing in locations such as Manchester (U.K.), Aarhus (Denmark), Willich (Germany) and Nevada (US) or investing in a highly automated factory, our sole purpose is to deliver great products for our customers at prices they can afford.
As an extreme minimalist myself, money has never been a driver for me. But it is an important tool that allows you to pursue things you are passionate about. As an engineer I love building businesses, systems and infrastructure while as a musician my passion is playing keyboards and designing synths, drum machines etc. Going back to my roots 40 years later, and designing synthesizers again is a joy that's hard to describe. In fact, I can tell you that building some of these synths makes no commercial sense but it's so much fun that I simply don't care whether
Interessante questa risposta di uli
Hi Nick,
When you reached out to me for a comment related to our price reduction, I was happy to explain the reasons behind it since we at Music Tribe respect you and your magazine. Frankly, I was quite surprised about the tone of your article.
You used terms like "cynical commercialism" which I am frankly struggling with. In my book, cynicism is such a terrible mindset that I feel compelled to respond to you.
Let's be very clear, we as a company must make a profit in order to survive and grow, which goes for every other company and surely your own business too, Nick.
30 years ago I started Behringer with the philosophy "Double the Features at Half the Price" which we later expanded to "We Hear You".
As a kid and later struggling musician and sound engineer, I couldn't afford any of the equipment in the market, let alone synthesizers. I literally spent days in music stores playing those synths and drum machines until the shop owners would kick me out, since they knew I would never buy anything.
At the age of 16, the only way I could solve that problem was to build my own synthesizer. However this early experience and deep frustration of not being able to afford equipment made me appreciate the challenges other people go through. I learned this again during my university times when my friends and I could not afford the equipment we needed in order to practice and this was the time I decided to make it the mission in my life to try to solve this problem.
We at Music Tribe with all our 12 brands believe in empowering creatives by providing our customers with tools and services they desire at prices they can afford.
Our philosophy is to carefully listen to our customers and build what they want us to build. Often people come up with great new ideas or they simply request us to make a product that follows a competitor but at a lower price. Provided it is within the law, we will pursue those requests as our loyalty belongs to our customers.
When it comes to pricing, we have always used the "bottom up" calculation method, which means we take our manufacturing cost as a base, add a small profit for us and on top the typical retailer margin.
Our competitors usually set their pricing based on what they believe customers would be willing to pay for a product in order to maximize their profit. We however believe that our low-margin strategy will earn us a long-term loyalty.
We further believe that adding affordable products such as synthesizers to the market will open up a complete new customer base. Many marketing studies have demonstrated that broadening the market with low cost offerings will not eliminate the competition as you insinuate but on the contrary, increase overall sales as a strong awareness for the overall category is created.
We at Music Tribe are very different and we're proud to be different. We try to be everything but corporate; for example we have no board of directors, no C-level executives and I have pledged that everything we earn gets reinvested.
Whether this means creating new R&D centers which we are now establishing in locations such as Manchester (U.K.), Aarhus (Denmark), Willich (Germany) and Nevada (US) or investing in a highly automated factory, our sole purpose is to deliver great products for our customers at prices they can afford.
As an extreme minimalist myself, money has never been a driver for me. But it is an important tool that allows you to pursue things you are passionate about. As an engineer I love building businesses, systems and infrastructure while as a musician my passion is playing keyboards and designing synths, drum machines etc. Going back to my roots 40 years later, and designing synthesizers again is a joy that's hard to describe. In fact, I can tell you that building some of these synths makes no commercial sense but it's so much fun that I simply don't care whether
a Uli.
@ maxpiano69
a Uli.
un imprenditore che ammette di fare cose con poco senso economico, ma solo con grande goduria, ha il mio plauso.
a Uli.
Sarà pure una mezza marketta, ma approvo compiaciuto ugualmente (e intanto aspetto l'OBXa!).
Tra l'altro: ho visto su mercatino diversi Little Phatty (come il mio...) in vendita. Prima ce n'erano pochissimi... Mi sa che il Model D sta cominciando ad avere effetti sul piccolo mercato dei monofonici analogici
@ pentatonic
un imprenditore che ammette di fare cose con poco senso economico, ma solo con grande goduria, ha il mio plauso.
Sarà pure una mezza marketta, ma approvo compiaciuto ugualmente (e intanto aspetto l'OBXa!).
Tra l'altro: ho visto su mercatino diversi Little Phatty (come il mio...) in vendita. Prima ce n'erano pochissimi... Mi sa che il Model D sta cominciando ad avere effetti sul piccolo mercato dei monofonici analogici
Non so, non credo o meglio non vedo il Behringer Model D come antagonista diretto del Little Phatty (al massimo dello Slim e anche in quel caso mancano i preset). Piuttosto credo che i Little Phatty cominciano ad avere un po' di anni e la gente li cambia o perché li usa troppo poco (come ho fatto io, di recente, con il mio Slim Phatty) o per prendere un Subsequent37 o un synth analogico moderno di altre marche (magari polifonico) o... nulla un imprenditore che ammette di fare cose con poco senso economico, ma solo con grande goduria, ha il mio plauso.
Sarà pure una mezza marketta, ma approvo compiaciuto ugualmente (e intanto aspetto l'OBXa!).
Tra l'altro: ho visto su mercatino diversi Little Phatty (come il mio...) in vendita. Prima ce n'erano pochissimi... Mi sa che il Model D sta cominciando ad avere effetti sul piccolo mercato dei monofonici analogici
@ turbopage
behringer ms 101 rd
Me lo ero perso, il remake del SH 101 (con tanto di "manopola")
behringer ms 101 rd
C'é anche nero e blu Behringer MS-101
kurz4ever 17-04-19 14.46
Idea geniale...
Magari se gli altri cominciassero ad uscire (tipo ubxa per esempio che gira da un paio d'anni se non erro) sarebbe ancora più geniale....
Magari se gli altri cominciassero ad uscire (tipo ubxa per esempio che gira da un paio d'anni se non erro) sarebbe ancora più geniale....
@ kurz4ever
Idea geniale...
Magari se gli altri cominciassero ad uscire (tipo ubxa per esempio che gira da un paio d'anni se non erro) sarebbe ancora più geniale....
bellissima notizia.... Io credo che il clone dell'OBX sia ancora un work in progress...
Idea geniale...
Magari se gli altri cominciassero ad uscire (tipo ubxa per esempio che gira da un paio d'anni se non erro) sarebbe ancora più geniale....
ruggero ha scritto:
Io credo che il clone dell'OBX sia ancora un work in progress...
Io credo che il clone dell'OBX sia ancora un work in progress...
Lo è, io sono rimasto che il prototipo hardware (meccanica, case, circuiteria) l'hanno fatto, ma devono scrivergli il firmware che lo fa camminare.
Un paio di mesi fa avevano anche diffuso delle fotografie di quel prototipo.
kurz4ever 17-04-19 16.22
@ mima85
Lo è, io sono rimasto che il prototipo hardware (meccanica, case, circuiteria) l'hanno fatto, ma devono scrivergli il firmware che lo fa camminare.
Un paio di mesi fa avevano anche diffuso delle fotografie di quel prototipo.
Ecco, spero che avessero già cominciato da un po'altrimenti ci vorrà un altr'anno per vedere un prototipo funzionante...
ruggero ha scritto:
Io credo che il clone dell'OBX sia ancora un work in progress...
Io credo che il clone dell'OBX sia ancora un work in progress...
Lo è, io sono rimasto che il prototipo hardware (meccanica, case, circuiteria) l'hanno fatto, ma devono scrivergli il firmware che lo fa camminare.
Un paio di mesi fa avevano anche diffuso delle fotografie di quel prototipo.
kurz4ever ha scritto:
spero che avessero già cominciato da un po'altrimenti ci vorrà un altr'anno per vedere un prototipo funzionante...
spero che avessero già cominciato da un po'altrimenti ci vorrà un altr'anno per vedere un prototipo funzionante...
In effetti dicevano che comunque ci sarebbe voluto un altro po' di tempo prima di poter vedere quella tastiera emettere qualche scoreggia.
@ mima85
In effetti dicevano che comunque ci sarebbe voluto un altro po' di tempo prima di poter vedere quella tastiera emettere qualche scoreggia.
e ne venderanno a carrellate.
kurz4ever ha scritto:
spero che avessero già cominciato da un po'altrimenti ci vorrà un altr'anno per vedere un prototipo funzionante...
spero che avessero già cominciato da un po'altrimenti ci vorrà un altr'anno per vedere un prototipo funzionante...
In effetti dicevano che comunque ci sarebbe voluto un altro po' di tempo prima di poter vedere quella tastiera emettere qualche scoreggia.
kurz4ever 17-04-19 18.37
@ doremi58
e ne venderanno a carrellate.
Si e no.... Se restano fermi sul clone perfetto e non portano un po'di modernità tipo un sacco di locazioni di memoria e uno stadio effetti tipo quello del deepmind allora non ne sono così sicuro.
e ne venderanno a carrellate.
@ doremi58
e ne venderanno a carrellate.
Speriamo, perché vorrebbe dire che il prezzo sarebbe molto allettante.
e ne venderanno a carrellate.
@ pentatonic
un imprenditore che ammette di fare cose con poco senso economico, ma solo con grande goduria, ha il mio plauso.
Sarà pure una mezza marketta, ma approvo compiaciuto ugualmente (e intanto aspetto l'OBXa!).
Tra l'altro: ho visto su mercatino diversi Little Phatty (come il mio...) in vendita. Prima ce n'erano pochissimi... Mi sa che il Model D sta cominciando ad avere effetti sul piccolo mercato dei monofonici analogici
Anche perche' 290 euro contro 1200 circa fa la differenza, ora se suoni live, ok ti servono preset pronti, ma se lo usi in studio, puoi sopperire con l'editor " Bheringer Model D Conrtol Panel v 2.2 e se ti serve, usi l'arpeggiatore della Daw. Per il suono non ho sentito dal vero (solo demo) il Little Phatty, ma il Bheringer ]per me suona bene. un imprenditore che ammette di fare cose con poco senso economico, ma solo con grande goduria, ha il mio plauso.
Sarà pure una mezza marketta, ma approvo compiaciuto ugualmente (e intanto aspetto l'OBXa!).
Tra l'altro: ho visto su mercatino diversi Little Phatty (come il mio...) in vendita. Prima ce n'erano pochissimi... Mi sa che il Model D sta cominciando ad avere effetti sul piccolo mercato dei monofonici analogici
@ kurz4ever
Si e no.... Se restano fermi sul clone perfetto e non portano un po'di modernità tipo un sacco di locazioni di memoria e uno stadio effetti tipo quello del deepmind allora non ne sono così sicuro.
Parlando con alcuni esperti il problema del deepmind è proprio la sezione effetti che risulta penosa 😂😂😂 e non rende dignità al synth !
Si e no.... Se restano fermi sul clone perfetto e non portano un po'di modernità tipo un sacco di locazioni di memoria e uno stadio effetti tipo quello del deepmind allora non ne sono così sicuro.
Nonostante sia menzionato klark teknik non è altro che quella di un virtualizer pro Ciao
Paolo
kurz4ever 18-04-19 15.36
@ berlex65
Parlando con alcuni esperti il problema del deepmind è proprio la sezione effetti che risulta penosa 😂😂😂 e non rende dignità al synth !
Nonostante sia menzionato klark teknik non è altro che quella di un virtualizer pro Ciao
Paolo
ah...ecco..appunto... ma non si erano comprati MIDAS e TC ELECTRONICS.?
Parlando con alcuni esperti il problema del deepmind è proprio la sezione effetti che risulta penosa 😂😂😂 e non rende dignità al synth !
Nonostante sia menzionato klark teknik non è altro che quella di un virtualizer pro Ciao
Paolo